Monday, September 26, 2016

Debate Night 1, 2016. Notes on Trump and Clinton: Restraint

The US policy has been to run the world and Trump has said he's against that.

But thats also what Bush Junior said.  Just as Trump is doing with Clinton, Bush ran to the left of Gore on intervention and repudiated nation building.

And then Bush responded to the attack of 9/11 by invading and occupying two nations, causing the death of perhaps a million civilians and sending US troops into sustained combat.

Does anyone think that once Trump takes office attacks on US targets will cease?

And does anyone think that Trump will be more restrained in responding to such attacks than Bush?

And, for that matter, will Trump allow himself to be called less of a drone killer than Obama?

Trump talks about nuclear weapons for Saudi Arabia.  He backs the Egyptian mass killer al Sisi even more warmly than does Clinton.  And Trump wants to give more weapons to Israel than does either Obama or Clinton.

Trump says he will sink Iranian ships if their sailors give the US the finger and will void the Iran nuclear deal which inevitably -- from the DC point of view -- will then require outright bombing.

So, open war in yet another country.

And in Syria, Trump says of ISIS, that he will stand beside them if they take the fight to Assad.

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Whichever gets elected, mass murder wins.  The question is how much murder?

The bureaucrats of the US killing system tend to back Hillary Clinton.

The murder adventurers Cheney and Rumsfeld are backing Donald Trump.

The murder bureaucracy isn't going away.  Trump and Congress will sustain it.  He openly calls for mass expansion of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.

But Trump adds the additional element of animal spirits to the death business.

He has the gleam of a nuclear gamble that a Cheney or a Gen. Curtis LeMay could appreciate.

He has already called for China to "disappear" Kim Jong Un.

Those who think that the white supremacist proto-fascist will be less lethal abroad are failing to look at Trump's proposals and failing to look at the past. 


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Tuesday, July 26, 2016

Reports Claim Indonesian President Set to Name Indicted War Criminal to Cabinet

Press reports claim that the indicted war criminal, General Wiranto, is set to be named Indonesia's security chief by the country's president, Joko Widodo (Jokowi).

General Wiranto is under indictment by a UN-sponsored prosecutor for the massacre, rape, and arson campaign in occupied East Timor in 1999.  

Though forces under Wiranto's command raped nuns and staged mass executions of civilians he has evaded arrest for 17 years and -- if the press reports prove correct -- will now be placed in overall charge of Indonesia's vast security forces.

Wiranto's indictment and the brief supporting the outstanding warrant for his arrest can be accessed below:






For further background re Gen. Wiranto and his crimes:

"Admiral Dennis Blair, Prospective Obama Appointee, Aided Perpetrators of 1999 Church Killings"

"Bloody Hands and a Crucial Victory"

"Lembaga Negara Mendesak Jokowi Tidak Memasukkan Pembunuh ke Kabinet"

"A Government Body Asks Jokowi to Exclude Murderers from the Cabinet"

"Breaking News: Jokowi Siap Memasukkan Para Jenderal Pembantai Massal Wiranto dan Ryamizard ke Kabinet"

"Red Marks Next to Their Names: Is Jokowi Serious About Being Clean?"

"Tanda Merah Calon Menteri: Apakah Jokowi Sungguh-Sungguh Ingin Membangun Kabinet Bersih?"

Kompas: "Jurnalis Investigasi Allan Nairn Ingatkan Jokowi Jangan Pilih Menteri Pelanggar HAM"
(2014/10/22)



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Thursday, September 3, 2015

Tweets During the Guatemalan Uprising of 2015 and the Fall of Perez Molina: August 25 Installment

By Allan Nairn (@AllanNairn14)


@AllanNairn14  Aug 25
68)In his hour of desperation,PerezM has gone demagogue.This longtime partner of th CIA&CACIFis now denouncing th rich&foreignrs #JuicioTito

69) It is a familiar scam: Mass killers who are closest to foreign powers and th rich sometimes like to pose as their opponents..#JuicioTito

70) They claim to be nationalists while selling the country's wealth to foreign corporations…#JuicioTito

71) ... And they claim to be populists while letting the local rich starve the people. #JuicioTito

72)Th rich&foreign sponsors of th demagogue just chuckle at th charade.They know it is necessry 2 deceive th people&keep control #JuicioTito

73) In this case, thats what the US is doing. Perez Molina is still useful to them (for the moment)... #JuicioTito

74) The US doesn't want a regime collapse that could unleash a deep popular movement... #JuicioTito

75)But CACIF is having a family spat with their little brother,Tito.He has become an embarrassment.They just want him to move on #JuicioTito

Allan Nairn retweeted @guatemalajustice:
“Both #RiosMontt and #Rodriguez Sanchez will be tried behind closed doors. Only victims will be allowed to attend. #Guatemala”
Allan Nairn added: “Rios Montt killed many 1000s but he couldnt kill their souls.For eternity he will have 2 face them,& their survivors”

Gustavo Berganza @GBerganza tweeted to @Allan Nairn14:
“Lástima que no viniste a atestiguar al juicio contra Ríos y Rodríguez. Hubiera sido útil oírte hablar de Otto.”
Allan Nairn replied: “Re mi testimonio que estaba programada para el juicio1 de Ríos Montt: http://goo.gl/Rof233  http://goo.gl/qzPws2   http://goo.gl/w3VH6j

Re my scheduled testimony for the first trial of Rios Montt: http://goo.gl/Rof233   http://goo.gl/qzPws2  http://goo.gl/w3VH6j

English versn of interv re my scheduled Rios Montt testimony"The witness who would have accused the US & Pérez Molina”http://goo.gl/oBV13f

[A]When I asked Rios Montt-a firm believer in the death penalty-if HE should be executed for his role in the slaughter.. http://goo.gl/pNZGqI

[B]…[Rios Montt] leapt to his feet and shouted "Yes! Try me! Put me against the wall!"... http://goo.gl/pNZGqI

[C]But he [Rios Montt] said that the Americans should be put on trial too. http://goo.gl/pNZGqI 

76)Th US&CACIF at th moment disagree on if Tito shld resign.Its just a tactical difference:they both,jointly,want 2 keep control #JuicioTito

77) For decades Perez Molina helped them[US/CACIF/foreign corps]loot the country.But now that some of the people have risen up…#JuicioTito

78) ... Perez Molina's usefulness (to the US,CACIF,foreign corps) has come into question…#JuicioTito

78) The US/CACIF don't care about Perez Molina personally.They care about preventing deep, popular change.#JuicioTito

79)Tito is terrified, but the US and CACIF are scared too. They want to end this unpredictable time of crisis swiftly, quietly. #JuicioTito

80But it is in no way preordained thtUSCACIFTitoArmy will prevail.History is now-for1brief momnt-largely in th hands of th peopl #JuicioTito

Allan Nairn retweeted Prensa Libre @prensa_libre: “Cacif y empresarios no apoyan paro nacional, argumentan pérdidas en economía http://bit.ly/1JwKPG6 Vía @rbolanos_pl 
Allan Nairn added the comment: “CACIFwants2remove Tito wthout giving an opening 2 a mass movemnt.Thy want2assure that only he-not them-is overthrown

[A] Guatemala now somewhat resembles Indonesia '98 in that th elites want 2 remove their chosen leader cuz he has lost control of th people…

[B]…but want to make sure that only he falls,&that they-the elites-maintain control.In Indonesia it was the US-backed mass killer, Suharto…

[C]..In Guate it is th USbacked mass killer PerezMolina.In Indonesia,th elites succeeded.Th army took control.They had 2 concede some reforms..

[D]….but the same people still ran society.  Moments where deep change is possible are brief.In Guatemala, this is one of them.

Allan Nairn retweeted Ejército Guatemala:” @Ejercito_GT
Somos garantes de la Institucionalidad del Estado de Guatemala, esencialmente apolítico, obediente y no deliberante”
Allan Nairn added the comment:”A) The army says they are the ‘guarantors of the Institutionality of the State of Guatemala.’”

B)...Previously that has meant committingmassacre,torture,disappearance,rape,& doing so in collaboration with foreign powers like the US..

C)...Señores del Ejercito: What does "guaranteeing the Institutionality of the State of Guatemala" mean today?


Link to August 23 Installment: goo.gl/w569xk
Link to August 24 Installment: goo.gl/6KeuCl


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Tweets During the Guatemalan Uprising of 2015 and the Fall of Perez Molina: August 24 Installment

By Allan Nairn (@AllanNairn14)


@AllanNairn14  Aug 24
53)The only ones who have not yet abandoned Guatemalan Pres Gen Perez Molina r Army/Police commanders,some diehard oligarchs,&…#JuicioTito

54)...some corrupt politicians/officials.The highest profile force now pushing 2 keep him (Perez Molina)in power is th US/Europe #JuicioTito

55) The US/Europe say privately they want "stability," but its the stability of theft, hunger, and terror. #JuicioTito

56) The US would never tolerate a full murder prosecution/ investigation of its long-time protege, Perez Molina. #JuicioTito

57) Neither would CACIF, the oligarchs, who ran their own civilian death squads. #JuicioTito

58) But CACIF sees that Perez Molina has lost control of the populace. They want to move him out, for corruption ... #JuicioTito

59)..&in th hope of retaining control of hs successor(VP Maldonado Aguirre,ex MLN,th self-described"party of organized violence”)#JuicioTito

60)...and in the hope of deactivating the popular movement and getting control of any "reform" process... #JuicioTito

61)...&in response 2 th fear that if Perez M stays,th protests will progress frm th issue of corruption 2th issue of mass murder #JuicioTito

62) But even on narrow corruption grounds, keeping Gen. Perez Molina (@ottoperezmolina) in office is wrong... #JuicioTito

63)...It gives him (Perez Molina) time to find & destroy evidence & to use the wealth & coercive powers of the state ...  #JuicioTito

64) ... to bribe, intimidate, and incapacitate witnesses, prosecutors, judges, legislators, and election commissioners ... #JuicioTito

65)It also gives him time 2 steal far more money.Keeping Perez M in office makes th prospect of real reform far more difficult . #JuicioTito

66)In Guate criminal court-& live on national TV-th public is now hearing phone intercepts implicating Perez M's ex VP in theft..#JuicioTito

67)..Imagine if th US were this advanced,& in a US crim court it were possibl to hear th NSA intercepts implicating US VPs&Prezs #JuicioTito


Link to August 23 Installment: goo.gl/w569xk
Link to August 25 Installment: goo.gl/r0hIAu


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Tweets During the Guatemalan Uprising of 2015 and the Fall of Perez Molina: August 23 Installment

By Allan Nairn (@AllanNairn14)


@AllanNairn14  Aug 23
1)Guatemalan PresGen Otto Perez Molina may b tried fr corruptn.But he shld also b put on trial fr massacre,torture,assassination #JuicioTito

2) Perez Molina implemented the Rios Montt program of massacre in the Ixil.  I interviewed him then and he told me, on film, ... #JuicioTito

3) ..all the families are with the guerrillas.” #JuicioTito See: http://goo.gl/YXwuHB     http://goo.gl/jdPVVU  http://goo.gl/E0AuK2

4)Perez Molina,a special Kaibil troop &US protege,ws using th pseudonym“Major Tito”  His subordinates told me how they massacred #JuicioTito

5)Under Tito’s command,fm Nebaj,his men swept thru th mountns.Thy burnt & bombed villages,raped,strangled civilians& committed…#JuicioTito

6) ... many hundreds of murders. #JuicioTito http://goo.gl/8xr8Gl  http://goo.gl/UVISPC 

6)Tito’s men told me it didn’t matter that the victims were unarmed, including old people, women, children. #JuicioTito

7)Their crimes were genocidal.  They rank with those of today’s ISIS. And their commander later became the country’s president. #JuicioTito

8)But Perez Molina/Tito,though criminally responsible,was following orders from the top.His boss was th dictatorGen. Rios Montt #JuicioTito

9)Rios Montt and Perez Molina had the full support of the United States (and Israel).  Tito proudly showed me his US-weaponry. #JuicioTito

10)One of Tito’s officrs,Lt Romeo Sierra,a leader of massacres,told me thUS support was determinative-“definitivo"-in their work #JuicioTito

11)Within Guatemala, it was the oligarchs (CACIF) who backed Rios Montt, the army, and the massacres. #JuicioTito

12)Now th oligarchs have abandoned a sinking ship.With Perez Molina in corruption trouble thy have belatedly called4 him 2quit.. #JuicioTito

13) But they, CACIF/ the oligarchs, don’t want a murder trial for Perez Molina. #JuicioTito

14)When a Guat trial court convicted Rios Montt of genocide CACIF demanded th verdict b set asideThe corrupt high court complied #JuicioTito

15)CACIF cn’t tolerate criminal trials becuz most murders were done by th natl army thy sponsored.&,still more dangerous fr thm..#JuicioTito

16) ... a significant number of the '80s murders were done by CACIF oligarchs personally. #JuicioTito

17)In th‘80s,young oligarchic men wld organize their own civilian death squads.Thr targets wr unionists, peasant lders,students.#JuicioTito

18)Thy killed in concert w th far mor prolific Guat army/policeBut many rich boys took specl pride in gettng thr own hands dirty #JuicioTito

19) These Guatemalan oligarchy death squads were the counterparts of the D’Aubuisson death squads of El Salvador... #JuicioTito

20) Indeed, the Guatemala and ES oligarchy death squads sometimes trained together, and shared intel on cross-border targets. #JuicioTito

21)Today those murdering young CACIF men r in their 50s,60s.Th skeletons in thr closets are literal.Thy cant risk actual justice #JuicioTito

22)But suddenly,as if from a coma,parts of Guatemala hve awakened.Theyre in th streets, demanding justice.Th issue is corruption #JuicioTito

23) But every Guatemalan of a certain age, especially the Mayans, knows the real issue that lies beneath:... #JuicioTito

24)...the men (and some women)theyve now caught for stealing could do so becuz they had power,&they got that power due 2 murder.#JuicioTito

25)In '80,Fred Sherwood of AMCHAM,th US corp partner of CACIF,explained 2 me tht whn workers at his factory tried to unionize... #JuicioTito

26) ... he would give their names to National Police chief Col. German Chupina, the legendary rapist and torturer . #JuicioTito

27)The AMCHAM US exec Sherwood told me a joke about how Chupina was such a good torturer he could even make mummies talk. #JuicioTito

28) Sherwood said the Colonel solved his union problem by “disappearing” the workers. #JuicioTito

29)Perez Molina shld be on trial 4 murder,but so shld his US sponsors & other murderers,be they army,police,CACIF orUS corporate #JuicioTito

[30] Strting now,&in days 2 come,I’ll b tweeting facts& links re this skein of murder,incl. perhps,new info re Perez Molina, & others #JuicioTito

31) Last night, at the Palace, there were two small signs amid the massive cry for Tito’s downfall… #JuicioTito

32)One said:“Otto (Tito) el pueblo Ixil no olvida las masacres.” The other:“Cuando Los de Abajo se mueven … los de arriba caen!!”#JuicioTito

33) One sign said (rough translations):“Otto (Tito) the Ixil people will not forget the massacres”... #JuicioTito

34) The other: “When Those Below stir themselves…those who are above fall down.” #JuicioTito

35) Perez Molia/Tito me dijo,en el Ixil '82:"Todas las familias estan con la guerrilla."Su Sargento,Miguel Raimundo, me dijo:.. #JuicioTito

@AllanNairn14  Aug 23
Breaking News: US and Europe, behind the scenes, are telling Perez Molina not to resign.
They fear "collapse of the regime." #JuicioTito

Perez Molina takes the US/Eur order telling hm not 2 resign & thn in a speech 2 th natn,blames his corrup indictmt on foreigners #JuicioTito

36).."Casi toda la gente en las aldeas son guerrilleros."El Cabo Felipe,otro hombre de Tito me dijo que cuando el Ejrcito llega..#JuicioTito

37)..."Ellos huyen de sus casas. Huyen hacia la montaña. 
–¿Qué hacen ustedes? 
–Capturamos a algunos vivos, y otros ...." #JuicioTito

38)"...no los pdemos capturar vivos.Cndo ellos salen corriendo hcia la mntaña,nos obligan a matarlos"dijo el Cabo de Tito,Felipe #JuicioTito

39)Perez Molina/Tito told me, in the Ixil’82:”All the families are with the guerrillas.” His Sargent,Miguel Raimundo,told me:…”#JuicioTito

40).."Almost all the village people are guerrillas."Corporal Felipe,another of Tito's men, told me that when the Army arrives... #JuicioTito

41)..."They flee from their houses. They run for the mountain.
--And what do you do?
--Some we capture alive, and others..." #JuicioTito

42)"...we cant capture alive..When they run & go into th mountains tht obligates one to kill them,"said Tito's Corporal, Felipe #JuicioTito

43)Pregunte al hombre de Tito,Cabo Felipe:"Entre aquellos que uds tienen que matar,¿qué clase de gente es:hombres o mujeres?" #JuicioTito

44) Cabo Felipe (de Tito):"–Algunas veces [matamos a] hombres, otras veces mujeres. 
–¿En qué aldeas ha sucedido eso?" #JuicioTito

45) ElCabo de Tito (Felipe) sobre sus matanzas:"Ha sucedido en una serie de aldeas.En Acul,Salquil,Sumal Chiquito,Sumal Grande”#JuicioTito

46)Pregunte a Felipe, Cabo de Perez Molina/Tito"--En esas aldeas, ¿cuánta gente mataron ustedes? 
–No muchas, unas cuantas." #JuicioTito

47)"–¿[Uds mataron] más de 10,más de 20,más de 100? 
–Oh,no.Cerca de 20. 
–¿En cada aldea? 
–Sí,por supuesto.Eso no fue mucho.”#JuicioTito

48) I asked Felipe, Tito’s Corporal: ”Among those you have to kill, what kind of people are they? Are they men or women?” #JuicioTito

49)Perez Molina/Tito’s Corporal Felipe: “—At times [we kill] men, at times women.
—In which villages has this happened?” #JuicioTito

50)Tito's Corporal Felipe re massacres: ”Oh, it’s happened in lots of [villages]. In Acul,Salquil,Sumal Chiquito, Sumal Grande” #JuicioTito

51) I asked Felipe, Perez Molina/Tito’s Corporal:”-- In those villages, about how many people did you kill?
-- Not many, a few." #JuicioTito

52)"--[You killed] more than 10? More than 20? More than 100?
--Oh no, about 20
--In each village?
--Yes,of course.Its not many"#JuicioTito

Link to August 24 Installment: goo.gl/6KeuCl
Link to August 25 Installment: goo.gl/r0hIAu


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Monday, February 9, 2015

Breaking News: Rekaman Wawancara Hendropriyono Tentang Perannya di Talangsari. Jenderal yang terlibat dalam pembantaian mengklaim para korban "bunuh diri," mengancam akan "menyerang rumah-rumah gubuk," dan bersedia diadili untuk kejahatan HAM

[Versi teks dari wawancara ini telah dimuat di sini pada 27 Oktober 2014 dengan judul: "Breaking News: Pengakuan 'Tanggungjawab Komando' Jenderal Hendropriyono dalam Pembunuhan Munir, Mengklaim Para Korban Talangsari 'Bunuh Diri,' Kesetujuannya Diadili untuk Pelanggaran HAM; dan Implikasi Hukumnya untuk As'ad, Wiranto, CIA."

Selasa, 10 Februari pukul 10:00 WIB, saya akan bersaksi di depan POLDA Metro Jaya, dalam kaitannya dengan kasus kriminal sang jenderal yang diajukan oleh para penyintas Talangsari beserta keluarga. 

Mereka berpendapat bahwa Jend. Hendro melakukan "pencemaran nama baik" ketika mengatakan kepada saya dalam wawancara ini bahwa para korban Talangsari--ratusan jumlahnya-- "melakukan bunuh diri" massal saat itu juga:]


Oleh Allan Nairn
Jakarta


Jenderal A.M. Hendropriyono, salah satu sosok orang kuat di Indonesia, mengakui "tanggungjawab komando" atas pembunuhan aktivis HAM terkemuka Indonesia. 

Dalam dua wawancara malam hari di rumahnya yang mewah pada 16 Oktober lalu, Hendropriyono melontarkan pernyataan-pernyataan yang kelihatannya bisa membuatnya diproses dan bakal menimbulkan masalah untuk CIA, TNI, dan Jokowi--presiden Indonesia yang baru.

Hendropriyono adalah penasehat kunci Jokowi, pemimpin inti TNI, dan sedang bekerjasama dengan CIA ketika badan Intelijen yang dipimpinnya (BIN) menghabisi nyawa Munir. 

Lebih detilnya, dalam perbincangan-perbincangan on the record itu, akhirnya Hendropriyono—mungkin tanpa sengaja—membiarkan dirinya larut menjawab pertanyaan-pertanyaan yang saya ajukan

Pada saat wawancara selesai, praktis Hendro mengugurkan sejumlah pembelaan yang sudah lama sekali dipegang oleh dirinya dan TNI. Ia sepakat diadili untuk tiga kasus: pembunuhan Munir, kampanye terror 1999 yang mengluluhlantakkan Timor Timur (saat itu masih diduduki pasukan TNI), serta pembantaian Talangsari tahun 1989 yang memuatnya menyandang julukan "Jagal Lampung."

Hendropriyono pun akhirnya sepakat agar semua dokumen internal yang dipegang oleh pemerintah Indonesia dan AS terkait kasus-kasus tersebut dirilis. 

Dengan mengakui "tanggungjawab komando" dan membukakan jalan untuk fakta-fakta tertentu, Hendropriyono turut memberikan tekanan legal kepada dua orang--Wiranto, sang jenderal, dan As'ad, sang intel—yang kian melesat ke jantung politik Indonesia setelah dipromosikan untuk duduk di Kabinet Jokowi. 

Perjumpaan dengan Hendropriyono adalah hal yang tak saya perkirakan sebelumnya dan seringkali terasa ganjil. Sesi pertama pertemuan tersebut dimulai dengan sikapnya yang memuji-muji saya, dan berakhir dengan ucapan saya padanya bahwa saya berharap pembunuh Munir dihukum seumur hidup. 

Di sela-sela itu, obrolan yang berlangsung antara kami berdua tak jarang berliku. Saya akan memaparkannya dalam beberapa bagian.

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Dari New York, saya menghubungi nomor ponsel Hendropriyono pada 14 Oktober. Saya ingin mendengar komentarnya langsung tentang perannya dalam pembantaian warga sipil. 

Sepanjang pemilu presiden Indonesia musim panas lalu—yang akhirnya dimenangkan Jokowi—berulangkali saya menyerukan agar Hendro diadili untuk kasus-kasus kejahatan kemanusiaan. 

Akan tetapi, yang mendapatkan perhatian besar—seringkali bahkan diliput hingga ke detil-detilnya --adalah konfrontasi saya dengan Prabowo, lawan Jokowi. Saya pernah menerbitkan wawancara off the record di mana Prabowo bicara panjang lebar tentang kediktatoran fasis, tentang cara melakukan pembantaian, tentang upaya-upaya kerjasamanya yang luas dengan Pentagon/Intelijen AS. Dalam wawancara itu pula, dia menghina mantan presiden sekaligus ulama yang sangat dihormati, Gus Dur.

Prabowo menuntut supaya tentara menangkap saya. Ia menyebut saya pembohong, imperialis Amerika, "musuh negara," dan menyatakan—kali ini dengan tepat—bahwa sebanyak tujuh kali TNI telah menangkap saya, dan bahwa Suharto sudah melarang saya masuk ke Indonesia sebagai "ancaman terhadap keamanan nasional." Menanggapi Prabowo, TNI mengumumkan bahwa saya berstatus "Target Operasi (TO).”

Saya sendiri sudah menantang tentara untuk menangkap saya. Saya menantang Prabowo untuk mengajukan saya ke pengadilan. Terkait Imperialisme Amerika, saya menantang Prabowo untuk bergabung bersama saya mengutuk presiden dan para mantan presiden AS yang masih hidup supaya mereka diadili karena kasus-kasus kejahatan. Saya juga sempat menantang Prabowo untuk bersama-sama menyerukan agar raksasa tambang AS, Freeport McMoRan, didepak dari Indonesia. Prabowo mundur dari semua tantangan tersebut dan menjadi bahan olok-olok, hingga akhirnya—di hari terakhir kampanye—ia pun memperkarakan saya. Para asisten Prabowo kemudian menjelaskan bahwa perkara yang diajukan antara lain terkait dengan "memancing kebencian terhadap militer," yang kemudian bertambah lagi setelah hasil pemilihan keluar: "menyebabkan kekalahan Prabowo."

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Dengan latar belakang inilah Hendropriyono, salah satu penopang kampanye Jokowi, menyarankan saya untuk bertemu langsung dengannya di Jakarta, alih-alih lewat telepon. Saya pun terbang ke Jakarta, dan beberapa jam setelah masuk ke wilayah Indonesia, saya tiba di pekarangan eksklusif milik Hendro di Senayan, Jakarta.

Sementara Hendro menemani utusan dari badan intelijen Malaysia, dan saya menunggu di ruang tamu, seorang anggota keluarga Hendro memberitahu saya bahwa sebelumnya Jokowi sudah menawarkan tiga jabatan menteri kepada Hendro, termasuk Menkolpokam, yang tidak lain adalah pos tertinggi untuk militer dan intelijen. Masih sehubungan dengan hal itu, pada hari yang sama, menantu Hendro, Jenderal Andika, baru saja diumumkan sebagai kepala Paspampres (pasukan pengawal kepresidenan) yang baru. Di dalam lemari kabinet di hadapan saya, terdapat foto Hendro bersama Jenderal Wiranto dan Sutiyoso, sementara di samping kanan foto Hendro dengan ajudan lamanya, Jendral Susilo yang di kemudian hari menjadi presiden. Di antara kedua foto tersebut, terdapat patung dada (bust) Napoleon--yang menurut seorang anggota keluarga merupakan tokoh kesukaan Hendro. 

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Setelah mempersilakan saya masuk, Hendro memulai pembicaraan. Dia mengatakan bawah dirinya merasa "terhormat" bisa bertemu dan menyambut saya, karena saya telah menggembosi kampanye  Prabowo. Ia menerangkan bahwa Prabowo adalah seorang "totaliter."

Jawaban saya: saya menyerang semua jenderal, termasuk dirinya. Hendropriyono mengatakan dia tahu akan hal itu, dan kalau tidak keliru, lanjutnya, saya menyerangnya khusus terkait Talangsari. 
Saya mengangguk, tapi saya menambahkan: saya menyerangnya untuk banyak kasus, termasuk pembunuhan Munir dan teror di Timor tahun 1999.

Pertama-tama, Hendro ingin bicara tentang Talangsari. 

Menurut semua laporan—termasuk yang dituturkan Hendro pada saya, yang terjadi di Talangsari adalah banjir darah. Namun Hendro memulai ceritanya dengan mengatakan: “Tak ada cara lain, Allan Nairn.”

Ia mengatakan bahwa sebagai komandan resort militer (danrem), ia mengendalikan tentara dan Brimob, lalu masuk ke Talangsari untuk menghadapi kaum militan agama yang bersenjata “busur dan panah.”

Ia mengatakan, “Mereka bilang saya thogut. Thoghut artinya ekstremis yang akan selalu menghabisi kaum Muslim...”

Tentang perang antara senapan vs. panah itu, Hendro mengatakan, “Tentunya ... kami menang karena kami lebih kuat.”

Hendro mengatakan: “Kami mengepung gubuk-gubuk yang mereka bangun di dusun bersama warga. Tidak ada yang keluar (dari gubuk) karena dilarang oleh para tetua mereka, oleh pemimpin-pemimpin mereka... Saya katakan, ‘Kami akan menyerbu. Saya minta kalian keluar dari rumah dan menyerah.’”

Lalu pada satu waktu, dalam laporan Hendro—dan banyak laporan lainnya—pengepungan gubuk-gubuk itu menyulut api. 

Para penyintas dan saksi mata mengatakan bahwa orang-orang Hendro menyulut api, menempak dan menyiksa warga desa yang tak bersenjata.

Kesaksian mereka di depan Komnas HAM dan kelompok-kelompok HAM seperti Kontras (yang didirikan Munir) sangat terperinci. 

Namun saya terkejut: di saat kami tengah berbincang di rumah mewahnya di Jakarta, Hendropriyono mengatakan bahwa korban Talangsari sebetulnya melakukan bunuh diri.

“Tiba-tiba mereka bakar gubuk mereka sendiri. Itu yang bikin banyak orang mati,” katanya.

(Ia memperkirakan angka koran tewas sebesar 100 orang—mungkin 200—tak bersenjata dan ada banyak anak-anak dan perempuan di antaranya) 

[Audio: "Attack the Huts:"]


[Note: the recording time stamp icon is set on New York time]


Tidak percaya begitu saja, saya tanya dia, “Anda mengklaim mereka menghabisi diri mereka sendiri?”...

“Ya, mereka membakar... mereka membakar gubuk mereka.”

“Dengan kata lain, Anda mengatakan mereka bunuh diri.”

“Ya ...”

“Bunuh diri?”, kali ini saya bertanya dalam bahasa Indonesia. 

“Bunuh diri”, jawab Jenderal Hendropriyono dalam bahasa Indonesia pula.

Ia menunjukkan bahwa tindakan tersebut didorong oleh fanatisisme. 

Saya kembali ke pokok supaya lebih jelas:

“Jadi, bapak kata bahwa orang itu bunuh diri?” 

“Bunuh diri,” Hendro menjawab tegas.

[Audio: "Bunuh Diri:"]




Dan saya pun mengatakan:

"Saya yakin Anda tahu hal ini: ada banyak kesaksian langsung dari penyintas Talangsari yang diberikan ke Komnas HAM dan lembaga-lembaga lain yang mengatakan bahwa 100-200 korban itu dihabisi oleh pasukan Anda dalam sebuah pembantaian. Mengapa tidak dihadapi di pengadilan saja? Apa Anda sepakat untuk diadili dan menjelaskan argumen Anda di pengadilan seperti yang baru Anda lakukan di depan saya?"

"Yah, tentunya itu tidak benar," jawab Hendro seraya mengelak dari pertanyaan.

Saya katakan: "Anda bisa mengatakan itu di pengadilan. Anda bisa bilang itu ke hakim." 

Tapi sekali lagi, Hendro tak ingin menjawab. 

Dia malah mengalihkan pembicaraan. Dia mulai dengan serangan terhadap "organisasi-organisasi HAM Indonesia," yakni Kontras-nya Munir dan kelompok-kelompok serupa. 

Hendro mengatakan bahwa kelompok-kelompok HAM ini telah membayar saksi-saksi supaya dirinya "dikasuskan". Tuduhan ini ironis karena Hendro sendiri telah melakukan pembayaran ke saksi-saksi dengan tujuan--katanya pada saat itu--sedekah. Dan fakta ini sudah dilaporkan secara luas.

(Ketika saya menyebut uang pemberian Hendro di meja yang penuh dengan orang-orang Kontras, mereka terkejut--dan tertawa terbahak-bahak, "Kayak kita punya duit aja!" salah seorang berseloroh.) 

Namun hal yang paling mengganggu Hendro adalah fakta bahwa kelompok-kelompok HAM, termasuk Komnas HAM, sudah sepakat untuk mendengar kesaksian dari penyintas anak-anak Talangsari, atau lebih tepatnya, orang-orang yang masih di bawah umur ketika bencana itu terjadi.

Dia jelas gusar dengan fakta bahwa anak-anak yang kini masih hidup itu dianggap serius.

Mereka "[dulu] masih anak-anak," katanya. Mereka "tidak tahu apa yang sedang terjadi." 

Dalam kasus Talangsari, saksi anak-anak akhirnya memang dirujuk.

Tapi itu karena Hendro dan anak-anak buahnya membunuh orangtua mereka, menurut kelompok-kelompok HAM.  

Sebetulnya ada pula kesaksian dari para penyintas dewasa, dan kesaksian anak kapanpun sering digunakan untuk kasus-kasus semacam itu.

Pada tahun 2013 saya diminta untuk bersaksi dalam pengadilan genosida di Guatemala. Mantan diktator yang didukung AS, Jenderal Efrain Rios Montt, duduk di kursi pesakitan. 

Dalam kasus tersebut, kesaksian orang-orang yang masih kanak-kanak saat peristiwa terjadi, digunakan secara luas. Rios Montt didakwa melakukan pembunuhan massal berencana dan dijatuhi hukuman 80 tahun (oligarki kemudian membekukan kasus ini; sang jenderal tetap berada di tahanan rumah.) 

Jenderal Hendropriyono tidak ingin ada kesaksian semacam itu di sini.

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Namun ketika megeluh tentang kesaksian yang melibatkan anak-anak itu, Jenderal Hendro nampaknya keceplosan.

Dia sendiri yang membuka kembali kemungkinan untuk menghadap pengadilan.

"Saya yakin, jika kita ingin ke pengadilan, pengadilan akan mencari saksi-saksi," katanya. Yang dia maksud adalah, pengadilan tidak akan menganggap penting anak-anak kecuali sebagai saksi palsu atau bayaran. 

Saya pun segera menanggapi: "Jadi ketika Anda bilang kasus ini harus diurus pengadilan, Anda harus diadili untuk Talangsari dan Anda tidak takut, Anda akan menerima itu? Anda bisa menerima kenyataan seandainya Anda disidang untuk kasus Talangsari?"

Hendro diam sejenak, bimbang, lalu bergumam: "Saya tidak bisa, mmm, Sepertinya saya sudah...."

Tak dinyana dia berkata: "Jika ada orang yang bukan saya--anggap saja Anda--kalau Anda jadi saya waktu itu, saya cukup yakin Anda akan melakukan hal yang sama."

"Tidak, saya tidak akan melakukan hal yang sama," saya jawab. "Saya tidak akan melakukan hal yang sama." 

"Apa yang akan Anda lakukan? Apa yang akan Anda lakukan jika Anda jadi saya waktu itu," sang jenderal mendesak. 

"Saya tidak akan bunuh orang," saya menjawab. Tapi saya ingin kembali ke pokok permasalahan:

"Tapi saya ingin memastikan bahwa saya paham apa yang Anda katakan. Saya hanya ingin mendapatkan pemahaman yang jelas tentang itu. Apa Anda bilang Anda siap diadili untuk Talangsari? Anda bersedia membela diri di pengadilan dan membawa bukti-bukti Anda?"

"Oh ya tentu saja!" jawab Hendropriyono.

Kelihatannya ada titik cerah di sini. 

Tapi saya ingin mengoreknya lagi, dan dia pun menghindar.

"Jadi, Anda bersedia diadili untuk Talangsari?"

"Kapan? Di jaman itu?," jawabnya.

Dia merujuk ke tahun 1989, saat pembantaian terjadi.

"Maksud saya sekarang," saya menjawab. "Waktu itu sudah berakhir. Saya bicara sekarang."

Tepat di titik ini, pembelaan emosional--dan hukum--Hendropriyono mulai kelihatan goyah.

"Segala sesuatu yang saya lakukan," katanya, "segala sesuatu yang mereka tuduhkan pada saya, tidak ada alasan bagi saya untuk tidak menerimanya. Saya akan mengadapinya." 

Titik cerah itu memang sungguh ada. Jenderal Hendropriyono menyatakan setuju untuk diadili. 

Setelah puluhan tahun TNI--dan Hendro-- membentengi diri dengan berbagai pembelaan dan alasan guna menghindari pengadilan, sang komandan jenderal--sekaligus mitra CIA--ini ternyata memberikan contoh untuk masa depan. 

"Karena segala sesuatu yang telah saya lakukan, saya bukan binatang, saya manusia," katanya.

"Dan Anda paham, saya bisa merasakan, saya punya anak, saya punya keluarga, dan saya bisa merasakan bagaimana perasaan mereka. Jadi bagi saya, saya bertanggung jawab atas segala yang sudah saya perbuat. Saya tidak akan menolak apapun. Saya mengerti maksud Anda. Jika saya diadili di pengadilan pelanggaran HAM, saya akan terima."

[Audio: Hendro Agrees to Stand Trial:]



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Tarik-ulur Talangsari ini menciptakan pola perbincangan kami tentang kasus-kasus kekerasan lainnya: biasanya Hendropriyono akan sampai pada titik dimana ia menegaskan--kadang terdengar sangat tidak masuk akal--bahwa keberadaan mayat-mayat yang masih menjadi pertanyaan bukanlah murni kesalahannya; namun pada saat bersamaan, ia mengakui fakta bahwa akhirnya dialah yang berwenang, dan bahwa mengadili seorang jenderal senior seperti dirinya untuk kasus pembunuhan adalah tindakan yang tepat.

Persetujuan ini amat penting dan membuka banyak jalan.
Gaungnya akan sangat signifikan untuk perbincangan kami selanjutnya terkait Munir. 

Dan efeknya tidak hanya berlaku untuk Hendro, tapi juga untuk BIN, As'ad, dan CIA. 




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Breaking News: Hendropriyono Talangsari Audio Released. In Interview, General Implicated in Massacre Says Victims "Committed Suicide." Speaks of Threatening to "Attack Huts." Agrees to Stand Trial for Rights Crimes.

[The newly released audio of General Hendropriyono is embedded in the article below. 

The text version of this piece was printed on this website on October 27, 2014 under the title: "Breaking News: Gen. Hendropriyono Admits "Command Responsibility" in Munir Assassination. Says Talangsari Victims "Committed Suicide." Agrees to Stand Trial for Atrocities; Legal Implications for As'ad, Wiranto, CIA.   Hendropriyono: Part 1."

On Tuesday, February 10, at 10:00 am WIB I will testify to the Indonesian police (POLDA Metro Jaya) in connection with a criminal case against the general brought by massacre survivors and their families. 

They are contending that Gen. Hendro committed criminal libel ("pencemaran nama baik") when he said to me, in this interview, that the Talangsari victims -- hundreds of them, all at once -- "committed suicide" ("bunuh diri").]

By Allan Nairn
Jakarta

General A.M. Hendropriyono, one of Indonesia's most powerful figures, has admitted "command responsibility" in the assassination of the country's leading rights activist.


In two nighttime interviews at his Jakarta mansion on October 16 Hendropriyono made statements that appear to open him to prosecution and may create problems for the CIA, the Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI), and for Joko Widodo -- Jokowi -- Indonesia's new president.


Hendropriyono is a key Jokowi adviser, is a core leader of the TNI, and was working with the CIA when his intelligence unit, BIN, killed the activist Munir.


In detailed, on-the-record discussions with me Hendropriyono, perhaps inadvertently, ended up submitting himself to close questioning.


By the time it was over he had abandoned some of his and TNI's longest standing defenses, and had agreed to stand trial for three major atrocities: the Munir murder, the 1999 terror campaign that devastated occupied East Timor, and the 1989 Talangsari massacre that earned him the nickname "the Butcher of Lampung."


Hendropriyono also ended up agreeing that he was calling for the release of all internal documents held by the Indonesian and US governments relating to these cases.


By admitting "command responsibility" and opening to the door to certain facts, Hendropriyono places legal pressure on two men -- the general, Wiranto and the intelligenge man, As'ad -- who have moved to the center stage of Indonesian politics after being touted for the Jokowi cabinet.


The encounter with Hendropriyono was unexpected and at times bizarre.  The first session started with him trying to flatter me, and ended with me telling him that I hoped Munir's killers would be jailed for life.   


In between, the discussion was, at times, complex.  It will be described in several installments.


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I had called Hendropriyono's cell phone, from New York, on October 14 hoping that I could get a comment from him on his role in killing civilians.


During last summer's Indonesian presidential campaign that resulted in Jokowi's election, I had repeatedly called for Hendro to be tried for crimes against humanity.  


But what got far more attention, indeed, at times saturation coverage, was my running confrontation with Jokowi's opponent, General Prabowo.  I had published an off-the record interview with Prabowo in which Prabowo ruminated on fascist dictatorship, talked about how to do massacres, discussed his extensive work with the Pentagon/ US Intelligence
, and insulted the highly regarded cleric and late President, Gus Dur.  

Prabowo demanded that the army capture me, called me a liar, an American imperialist, an "enemy of the state," and pointed out -- correctly -- that the TNI had previously captured me seven times and that Suharto had banned me from the country as "a threat to national security."  Responding to Prabowo, TNI declared that I had become an "Operational Target" (TO).


I challenged the army to grab me, challenged Prabowo to bring me to court, and -- on the matter of American Imperialism -- challenged Prabowo to join me in calling for the living US presidents to be put on trial for atrocities, and for the US mining giant, Freeport McMoRan, to be expelled from Indonesia. Prabowo backed down on all fronts and received ridicule, so finally, on the campaign's last day, he filed criminal charges against me.  His aides later explained that among other things the charges related to "inciting hatred of the army," and, after the election results were in, "causing Prabowo to lose."


It was against this background that Hendropriyono, one of the pillars of the Jokowi campaign, indicated that rather than talking on the phone he wanted to talk in person, in Jakarta.  I was heading to Jakarta anyway, and within hours of entering the country, went to Hendro's corner estate in Senayan, Jakarta.


As he entertained a delegation from Malaysian intelligence, and I waited in a sitting room, a member of Hendro's family told me that Jokowi had already offered him three ministries, including MENKOPOLKAM, the top military/ intelligence post.  Relatedly, just that day, Hendro's son-in-law, General Andika, had been announced as the new head of PASAMPRES, Jokowi's personal security detail.  In a cabinet in front of me was a photo of Hendro with Generals Wiranto and Sutiyoso, and to the right a photo of Hendro with his old aide, General Susilo, who later became President.  In between was a bust of Napoleon -- a Hendro favorite, a family member explained.


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After he ushered me in, Hendro started by saying that he was "honored" to meet and receive me because I had hurt Prabowo in the campaign.  He suggested that Prabowo was "totalitarian."


I replied that I attacked all the generals, including him.  Hendropriyono said he knew that, and said that if he was not mistaken I had attacked him particularly for Talangsari.


I said that was true, but I had attacked him for many things, also including Munir and 1999 Timor.


Hendro wanted to talk about Talangsari first.  


By all accounts -- including Hendro's to me, what had happened there had been a bloodbath, but he started by saying: "There was no other way to do it, Allan Nairn."


He said that as regional commander he controlled both the army and the National Police BRIMOB, and moved in to confront religious militants who were armed with "bows and arrows."


He said "They said I was togut. Togut means extremist who will always finish the Muslims..."


He said of the rifles vs. arrows showdown, "Of course ... we won because we were stronger."


Hendro said: "We encircled the huts that they built in the village together with the villagers.  Nobody was out (of the huts) because of forbidden by their chiefs, by their leaders... I said that 'we will attack you and I ask you to go out from the house and surrender.'"


Then at some point, by Hendro's account -- and that of everyone else -- the encircled huts went up in flames.

Survivors and witnesses say Hendro's men lit the fires, and shot and tortured unarmed villagers. 


Their testimony to the government human rights commission (KOMNASHAM) and to human rights groups like Munir's Kontras is detailed. 

But, to my astonishment, as we sat there in his Jakarta mansion, Hendropriyono said that the dead at Talangsari had actually killed themselves.


"Suddenly they burned their own huts.  That made so many people die," he said. 


(He estimated the death toll at 100, maybe 200, overwhelmingly unarmed, with many women and children)

[Audio: "Attack the Huts:"]


[Note: the recording time stamp icon is set on New York time]


I asked incredulously, "So you're claiming they killed themselves?"...

"Yes, they burned, they burned their huts."


"In effect you're saying they committed suicide."


"Yes ... 


"Bunuh diri?" ('Committed suicide?'), I asked in Indonesian.


"Bunuh diri" ('Committed suicide'), General Hendropriyono replied.


He suggested they might have done this out of fanaticism.  


I returned to the point, seeking clarity: 


"Jadi, bapak kata bahwa orang itu bunuh diri?" ('So you're saying that those people committed suicide?')


"Bunuh diri," -- suicide, Hendro replied with finality.


[Audio: "Bunuh Diri:"]




So I said: 

"As I'm sure you know, there are many witness testimonies from survivors of Talangsari given to KOMNASHAM and others that say that those hundred or 200 were killed by your troops, were killed by you in a massacre.  So why not face this in a trial?  Would you agree to be put on trial and make the argument in a court like you've just made to me?"


"Yeah, of course it was not true," Hendro replied, skirting the question.

I said: "You could say that in court.  You could tell it to the judge."


But again, Hendro did not want to answer.

Instead, he digressed.  He started with an attack on "the Indonesian human rights organizations," i.e. Munir's Kontras, and similar groups.

Hendro said that the human rights groups had paid off witnesses to implicate him, a charge that was ironic since it had been extensively reported that Hendro himself had made payments to witnesses, for, he said at the time, religious purposes.  

(When I later mentioned Hendro's payoff charge to a table full of Kontras people, they were shocked -- and couldn't stop laughing; "As if we had the cash!," one exclaimed.)

But the thing that most bothered Hendro was the fact that the rights groups, including KOMNASHAM, had agreed to hear testimony from child survivors of Talangsari, ie. from people who were still minors at the time of the inferno.

He was evidently upset that these surviving children had been taken seriously.

They "were still kids," he said.  They "didn't know what was going on."

It was, of course, the case that Talangsari child witnesses were resorted to.  


But this was because Hendro and his men had killed their parents, according to the rights groups. 

And in fact there was testimony from adult survivors as well, and in any event child testimony was often used in such cases.  

In 2013 I was called to testify in a genocide trial in Guatemala.  In the dock was the US-backed ex dictator, General Efrain Rios Montt.

In that case, then-child testimony was used extensively.  Rios Montt was convicted of planned massacres and sentenced to 80 years (the oligarchy later froze the case; the General remains under house arrest.)

General Hendropriyono didn't want such testimony here.


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But while complaining about the children, General Hendro appeared to slip up.

He himself reopened the issue of possibly being compelled to stand trial.

"I'm quite sure that if we go to court, (the) court will go and look at the witness(es)," he remarked, his point being that the court would disregard the children and false, paid-off witnesses.

So I jumped in: "So then what you're saying is that it should go to court, and you should be put on trial for Talangsari, and you do not fear that, you would accept that?  You would accept being put on trial for Talangsari?"

Hendro, paused, recoiled and mumbled: "I cannot, mmm, I think I have..."


And then he said, incredibly: " If anybody instead of me -- say like yourself -- if you were me at that time I'm quite sure that you would do the same thing."

"No, I would not do the same thing," I replied.  "I would not do the same thing."

"What would you do?  Tell me, what you would do if you were me," the General insisted.

"I would not kill people," I said, but I wanted to get back to the point:

"But I want to make sure I understand what you're saying.  I just want to get a clear understanding of it.  Are you saying that you would accept being put on trial for Talangsari?  And then in the court you would make your arguments and you would bring forth your evidence?"

"Oh yes of course!," Hendropriyono replied.

This appeared to be the breakthrough.

But I wanted to nail it down, and he hedged.

"So you would accept being put on trial for Talangsari?"

"At that time," he replied.

He was referring to 1989, the time of the massacre.

"I'm talking about now," I said. "Because that time has passed. I'm talking about now."

At this point, Hendropriyono's emotional -- and legal -- defenses appeared to break.

"Everything that I did," he said, "everything that they accused me (of), there is nothing for me to prefer not to accept.  I will face."

The breakthrough had indeed happened.  General Hendropriyono had agreed to face trial.

After decades of the TNI -- and himself -- erecting defenses, excuses, for not facing justice, this commanding general -- and CIA partner -- had set a precedent.

"Because everything that I did, I'm not animal, I'm human," he said.

"And you know, I feel, I have children, I have family, and I can feel how they feel.  So to me, I'm responsible for everything that I did and there is nothing that I will refuse.  I understand what you mean.  If there is a court for me for human rights violations, I will accept."

[Audio: Hendro Agrees to Stand Trial:]



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This Talangsari back-and-forth set the pattern for our discussion of other atrocities: Hendropriyono reaching -- sometimes deeply implausibly -- to assert that the corpses in question weren't exactly, really, his fault, but at the same time owning up to the fact that, in the end, he had been in charge, and that it was appropriate for he, the senior General, to be placed on trial for murder.

This concession was fundamental, and it opened doors.  

It had particularly significant repercussions for our later discussion regarding Munir.

Repercussions not just for Hendro, but for BIN, As'ad, and the CIA.

End of Hendropriyono: Part 1.




See: 

"The Komnas HAM Report on the Talangsari Massacre

"Meeting Monday With Komnas HAM, the Indonesian Government Human Rights Commission"

KontraS: Latar Belakang Proses Hukum Kasus Talangsari

"Breaking News: Secret Documents Link Hendropriyono, As'ad to Munir Assassination.  Suppressed Report Says Munir Was BIN "Operational Target," Urges Criminal Probe of Hendro.  Draft of As'ad Letter Surfaces; BIN Candidate Worked With Poisons Expert.  Assassination Was "Carefully Planned."  Hendropriyono: Part 2.

"Red Marks Next to Their Names: Is Jokowi Serious About Being Clean?"

"Tanda Merah Calon Menteri: Apakah Jokowi Sungguh-Sungguh Ingin Membangun Kabinet Bersih?"

"A Government Body Asks Jokowi to Exclude Murderers from the Cabinet."

"Lembaga Negara Mendesak Jokowi Tidak Memasukkan Pembunuh ke Kabinet"

"Bloody Hands and a Crucial Victory"

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